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Что преподаватели иностранных языков хотят скрыть от вас
alexroz wrote in ru_learnenglish
Вдохновлённый благосклонной реакцией на предыдущую цитату опубликованною пару постов назад. Хочу поделиться ещё одной жемчужиной мысли из уст прогрессивного деятеля на ниве изучения иностранных языков.
Источник: 10 Things Your Language School Doesn't Want You to Know

  1. You don’t need a teacher or school to learn a foreign language
    There is an important distinction to be made between learning and schooling. Those who believe they need formal training in a language are making the false assumption that the two are one and the same. To reach fluency in a language, you need to acquire a great deal of tacit knowledge, that special kind of internalized, experience-based information that you may not be conscious of. The sad truth is that most teachers focus on explicit knowledge (e.g. facts about the language such as grammar rules), which has very little to do with one’s ability to speak a language. Explicit knowledge is easier to teach and test, however, which probably explains why it makes up the bulk of school curricula.

  2. You don’t need to learn grammar rules
    At some point in history, the education establishment convinced society that they needed to be “taught” languages. This was quite an amazing feat considering that all human beings are endowed by evolution (or God if you prefer) with the ability to automatically acquire any language they hear in adequate quantities. The problem for most learners (and the reason they buy into the “I need more schooling!” mentality) is that they never get an “adequate quantity” of language input. The irony is that this input deficiency is often caused by the very classes that are supposed to provide it. With a focus on memorizing grammar rules, most learners end up spending the vast majority of their time learning about a language instead of the language itself.

  3. Tests and grades do more harm than good
    Ideally, formalized testing and grading systems motivate students by providing competition and objective feedback. In reality, however, most grading is far from objective (teachers tend to reward students they like and penalize those they don’t), and tests do little more than demonstrate one’s ability to memorize facts. Feedback is important, but it needn’t be in the form of traditional testing or grades. Ask your teachers to evaluate your performance by giving specific examples of things you said right or wrong, not with multiple choice tests.

  4. Classes go as fast as the slowest person
    The bigger the class, the wider the range of abilities, and the slower the class will have to go. Schools know that students are more likely to stick with something too easy but will quickly throw in the towel if something is too difficult. And despite placement tests and numerous class levels, it can be very difficult to appropriately group students by their actual skill in the language. With finite time slots mutually convenient for all students in a given group, some students will inevitably be placed in classes that are above or below their actual ability level. Also, placement tests come with the same problems mentioned in # 3: they test one’s memory and knowledge (especially of the written word).

  5. Reading out loud does not improve your pronunciation or speaking ability
    Teachers often have students read out loud to allegedly “practice pronunciation.” The truth is that your pronunciation improves only from massive amounts of listening input and then massive amounts of speaking when you’re ready. Reading aloud does little more than show what words you are unfamiliar with and often reinforces mispronunciations instead of fixing them. While some teachers genuinely believe in the read aloud method, others just use it as a zero prep activity to count down the clock.

  6. Oral drills do not help you learn how to speak; they only demonstrate your ability to do so
    Just as reading aloud does not improve your pronunciation or reading skills, oral drills do little for your speaking fluency. We improve our speaking ability through increasing the quantity and quality of listening input (e.g. podcasts about your favorite topics), and then applying what we have heard in natural, contextualized conversations.

  7. You will be encouraged to move up to the next level even if you aren’t ready
    This is all about business. Schools make more money when you buy new books, take level tests and re-enroll in more classes.

  8. Your progress reports are meaningless
    Teachers hate writing progress reports. They are usually an exercise in creative writing, not meaningful feedback on your actual performance and progress in the language. Not knowing what to say (and not wanting to waste time on a task they don’t get paid for!), many teachers will just cut and paste canned comments, or come up with general, vague statements and overly technical descriptions of your grammar and pronunciation problems.

  9. You should be the one who chooses the material
    Despite being widely used, standardized textbooks are bad tools for a number of reasons. They build on the myth that schooling equals learning, as discussed in # 1 above. They lull students into a false sense of accomplishment, where completion of chapters is confused with actual internalization of the content. And with content written not to entertain but to avoid offending anyone, they are typically boring and sterile. Interest in the material is essential for effective language learning, so make sure to choose schools or teachers that allow you to choose materials that float your boat.

  10. It doesn’t take years to learn a foreign language well if you do it right
    If you like the language you are learning, believe you can learn it, and get as much listening and reading input as possible, you will learn the language well enough to communicate in a matter of 6 months to a year. Most students, however, end up paying tuition for years and years despite a lack of progress. Students blame themselves (backed up by the bogus comments found in their progress reports), not realizing that the problem lies not in them, but with their school’s materials and methodologies.

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Тут столько всего спорного, что даже начинать страшно. Особенно первые 2 пункта. Первый пункт хорош до опред. возраста и для находяшихся в англоговорящей стране.
Второй - уже давно доказано, что в этом случае страдает accuracy, хотя fluency может быть на хор. уровне.

По-моему всё правильно, особенно первые два пункта. :)
Я именно так английский и учил.

Люди разные. И это не всем подходит.

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А нельзя ли цитату из безусловно прогрессивного деятеля поместить под кат?:) Она от этого ничего не потеряет, мне кажется.:)

По-моему, этот список уже столько раз обсуждался, что сил уж нет...

Достали постить этот глупый баян по десятому кругу.

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5 пункт - совершенно согласна.
Я преподаю английский в Японии и с теми преподами, кто заставляет студентов читать вслух, всегда пытаюсь поговорить. Но в Японии, как и в России, очень много тех, кто не умеет преподавать язык интерактивно.

я иногда заставляю их читать, просто чтоб убедиться, что они произносят слова правильно.
Не надо этого делать?

You don't need a teacher or school to learn a foreign language

An absolute truth. Especially in the times of the Internet.

You don't need to learn grammar rules

An absolute falsehood. You need the knowledge of grammar to be able to speak and write correctly.


The rest is in-between.

+1 ко второму пункту.
По поводу первого - my opinion is:
if you can easily afford a decent teacher - you should get one.
It will do you a lot of good. If you can't - than there are other options.

Что самое противное насчет 1 пункта - далеко не у всех есть должный уровень самодисциплины. Проверка домашки - мощное средство эту домашку подготовить. Расписание - причина позаниматься именно в это время в этом объеме, а не "завтра" = через месяц.
Насчет чтения вслух - такому еще где-то учат??? Разве что в обычной школе... Но и то не помню, чтобы в старших классах мы читали вслух.

Учат-учат. Печально, но учат.

Reading out loud does not improve your pronunciation or speaking ability

Хороший вопрос, как отучить себя читать вслух или проговаривая про себя. Нахожусь в середине где то pre-intermediate, видимо еще не очень поздно отучаться.

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